Comments for advanced english http://advanced12.edublogs.org Discussions and prep tasks Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:48:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 Comment on Migrant Hostel by buttro http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/07/26/migrant-hostel/comment-page-1/#comment-129 buttro Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:48:32 +0000 http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/07/26/migrant-hostel/#comment-129 1.There were to many immigrants to keep count of after World War II because Australia needed to “keep populated or perish”. This was because after the war Australia realised that they were vulnerable after the Japanese attacks. People didn’t care who was coming in as long as the population was growing. A permanent home is more important then a transient one because you feel attached to your home after a period of time because ‘home is where the heart is’. If you are only living somewhere for a short period of time it doesn’t mean as much to you, unlike if you were calling a place home for a generations. 2.The use of the word “newcomers” puts emphasise on how the immigrants were seen as groups and not individual people. This reflects back on the Australian attitude that they didn’t care who was coming and where they were coming from as long as they were populating the country. The meaning here can be transferred to today’s society because people still generalise other people that are different and still don’t see them as individuals, eg wogs. 3.The word “busloads” creates a picture in my mind of busy crowds like in the city where each person is from a different background and they are there for a different reason but you don’t take notice or bother to pay attention to the individuals. 4.The word “departments” is used to show how the migrants were segregated into groups, probably by their nationality, colour and language. This reflects how society often divides up people by who they are, where they come from and their background. Again this shows how people today stereotype certain people and generalise ethnic groups by using the radical personalities as examples. 5.In the poem “us” is the migrants because the poem is from the point of view of migrants in a hostel. The use of the word “us” shows how the migrants were seen as a group and not as individuals. People would of said “those people” rather then by name. This again shows how we generalise and see people as stereotypes or groups. The word “us” also shows how the migrants were different to the Australians and is proof that at the time it was a “us” and them environment. 1.There were to many immigrants to keep count of after World War II because Australia needed to “keep populated or perish”. This was because after the war Australia realised that they were vulnerable after the Japanese attacks. People didn’t care who was coming in as long as the population was growing. A permanent home is more important then a transient one because you feel attached to your home after a period of time because ‘home is where the heart is’. If you are only living somewhere for a short period of time it doesn’t mean as much to you, unlike if you were calling a place home for a generations.
2.The use of the word “newcomers” puts emphasise on how the immigrants were seen as groups and not individual people. This reflects back on the Australian attitude that they didn’t care who was coming and where they were coming from as long as they were populating the country. The meaning here can be transferred to today’s society because people still generalise other people that are different and still don’t see them as individuals, eg wogs.
3.The word “busloads” creates a picture in my mind of busy crowds like in the city where each person is from a different background and they are there for a different reason but you don’t take notice or bother to pay attention to the individuals.
4.The word “departments” is used to show how the migrants were segregated into groups, probably by their nationality, colour and language. This reflects how society often divides up people by who they are, where they come from and their background. Again this shows how people today stereotype certain people and generalise ethnic groups by using the radical personalities as examples.
5.In the poem “us” is the migrants because the poem is from the point of view of migrants in a hostel. The use of the word “us” shows how the migrants were seen as a group and not as individuals. People would of said “those people” rather then by name. This again shows how we generalise and see people as stereotypes or groups. The word “us” also shows how the migrants were different to the Australians and is proof that at the time it was a “us” and them environment.

]]> Comment on Migrant Hostel by Benn http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/07/26/migrant-hostel/comment-page-1/#comment-128 Benn Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:41:22 +0000 http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/07/26/migrant-hostel/#comment-128 1)No one kept count because it was a time of chaos, a lack of structure was created out of fear from death and destruction. The numbers of people who came was overwhelming and records would have been hard to trace because of the holocaust and the disorganized migrants who were desperate to leave the danger zones in Europe, many may have lost their whole lively hoods, their home, business etc. Permanent resident you feel comfortable and homely, while a transit place is more uncomfortable and restless, just a waiting place before they move on, it makes you unsure about the future. 2)The term ‘newcomers’ can be suggestive on as a negative way to see people who are new, they may not be wanted there because of the space of the facilities and the chaos of the immigration life. In society we see the ‘newcomers’ as invaders to our land, we become protective of what is ours. In the poem even though the land is not that of the immigrants but they still believe they have authority over these people because of the time elapsed when they have been there. 3)’Busloads’ make it seem as though there are many people who come and there seems to be no sign of how many there is too come, they are shuttled onto these buses as many as they can like a cattle truck and simply shifted. Nothing more. 4)People do not have control over where they go, “sudden departures from adjoining blocks, that left us wondering”. Skryznecki does not describe them further because there is a certain level of information that they don’t have, it is random the way that people are moved and come, “who would be coming next”. 5)’Us’ are the people who are their, they have no sense of racism as they are all in the same boat and situation, they are in it together. His belonging is uncertain and unknown, they will find out when the time is best for others. 1)No one kept count because it was a time of chaos, a lack of structure was created out of fear from death and destruction. The numbers of people who came was overwhelming and records would have been hard to trace because of the holocaust and the disorganized migrants who were desperate to leave the danger zones in Europe, many may have lost their whole lively hoods, their home, business etc.
Permanent resident you feel comfortable and homely, while a transit place is more uncomfortable and restless, just a waiting place before they move on, it makes you unsure about the future.
2)The term ‘newcomers’ can be suggestive on as a negative way to see people who are new, they may not be wanted there because of the space of the facilities and the chaos of the immigration life. In society we see the ‘newcomers’ as invaders to our land, we become protective of what is ours. In the poem even though the land is not that of the immigrants but they still believe they have authority over these people because of the time elapsed when they have been there.
3)’Busloads’ make it seem as though there are many people who come and there seems to be no sign of how many there is too come, they are shuttled onto these buses as many as they can like a cattle truck and simply shifted. Nothing more.
4)People do not have control over where they go, “sudden departures from adjoining blocks, that left us wondering”. Skryznecki does not describe them further because there is a certain level of information that they don’t have, it is random the way that people are moved and come, “who would be coming next”.
5)’Us’ are the people who are their, they have no sense of racism as they are all in the same boat and situation, they are in it together. His belonging is uncertain and unknown, they will find out when the time is best for others.

]]> Comment on Chapter 7 – Discussion – Christmas Scene by Calum P http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/06/chapter-7-discussion-christmas-scene/comment-page-1/#comment-122 Calum P Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:59:54 +0000 http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/06/chapter-7-discussion-christmas-scene/#comment-122 2) This chapter can be called a turning point because this is where Heathcliff vows his revenge on Hindley. At this point, he goes from almost being a defenceless victim of Hindley's jelousy to becoming very much a protagonist. From his words- ”I’m trying to settle how I shall pay Hindley back. I don’t care how long I wait, if I can only do it at last. I hope he will not die before I do!”, we can see that he is determined to take his future into his own hands and the reader knows that from now, the novel will centre around Heathcliff. 2) This chapter can be called a turning point because this is where Heathcliff vows his revenge on Hindley. At this point, he goes from almost being a defenceless victim of Hindley’s jelousy to becoming very much a protagonist. From his words- ”I’m trying to settle how I shall pay Hindley back. I don’t care how long I wait, if I can only do it at last. I hope he will not die before I do!”, we can see that he is determined to take his future into his own hands and the reader knows that from now, the novel will centre around Heathcliff.

]]> Comment on Chapter 7 – Discussion – Christmas Scene by Calum P http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/06/chapter-7-discussion-christmas-scene/comment-page-1/#comment-121 Calum P Thu, 07 Jun 2007 02:27:46 +0000 http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/06/chapter-7-discussion-christmas-scene/#comment-121 1) This chapter is significant for a number of reasons. Firstly, this is the chapter in which Catherine returns from Thrushcross grange to Wuthering heights, and she appears to have cast away her old life of playing with Heathcliff, and is now a cultured young lady- "A very dignified person..." Perhaps more importantly, it is this chapter that Heathcliff vows to take his revenge on Hindley- " I’m trying to settle how I shall pay Hindley back. I don’t care how long I wait, if I can only do it at last. I hope he will not die before I do!”. It is in this chapter that we can clearly see how badly Heathcliff has been treated as he is treated as nothing but a servant. Hindley even forbids him to eat christmas dinner as The Lintons do not want to eat with "That nasty, swearing boy" I'll post the rest later 1) This chapter is significant for a number of reasons. Firstly, this is the chapter in which Catherine returns from Thrushcross grange to Wuthering heights, and she appears to have cast away her old life of playing with Heathcliff, and is now a cultured young lady- “A very dignified person…”
Perhaps more importantly, it is this chapter that Heathcliff vows to take his revenge on Hindley- ” I’m trying to settle how I shall pay Hindley back. I don’t care how long I wait, if I can only do it at last. I hope he will not die before I do!”.
It is in this chapter that we can clearly see how badly Heathcliff has been treated as he is treated as nothing but a servant. Hindley even forbids him to eat christmas dinner as The Lintons do not want to eat with “That nasty, swearing boy”

I’ll post the rest later

]]> Comment on Love and relationships in Wuthering Heights by buttro http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/03/love-and-relationships-in-wuthering-heights/comment-page-1/#comment-120 buttro Thu, 07 Jun 2007 02:16:21 +0000 http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/03/love-and-relationships-in-wuthering-heights/#comment-120 6. The Essay of LOVE Wuthering Heights is a novel that explores revenge, desire and love. These themes evolve from the complicated relationships within Thrushcross Grange and Wuthering Heights. In particular, Emily Bronte focuses on the love between Catherine Earnshaw and Heathcliff. However, to fully understand the sometimes-distorted plot, a reader has to interpret a number of other relationships within the novel. The characters in Wuthering Heights form relationships because they desire revenge or love. It is these relationships that cause the many individual conflicts faced by the characters, especially Catherine and Heathcliff. Both of these characters and this is strongly evident when Catherine states; “Heathcliff is more myself then I am” and “I am Heathcliff”. Heathcliff’s love is just as strong and this can be seen in the actions he takes throughout the novel. After overhearing Catherine say, “it would degrade me to marry Heathcliff”, he leaves only to return with a deep desire to seek revenge on all those who have wronged him in the past including Catherine. A reader finds the relationships in Wuthering Heights complicated and bizarre for a number of reasons. The names in both households are very confusing because there are two Catherine’s, two Mrs Earnshaw’s, a number of Linton’s and a Linton Heathcliff. The relationship between Heathcliff and Catherine can also be seen as bizarre in today’s society because they are stepsiblings. This relationship is further complicated because of Catherine’s marriage to Edgar Linton. This makes Heathcliff very jealous as he says he will “crush his [Edgar’s] ribs like a rotten hazelnut.” Heathcliff wants to replace Edgar as Catherine’s husband and this is shown symbolically when Catherine dies Heathcliff takes Edgar’s hair out of the locket and puts his own in. However, Nelly gets both the locks of hair and intertwines them and puts them back in the locket, symbolising their intertwined lives. Earlier in the novel Heathcliff knows that he can’t just get rid of Edgar so he tries to better himself in order to become a more suitable partner but still the animal inside him prevails. The love between Heathcliff and Catherine is childish and there is no evidence of adult emotions between them. They are happiest together when they isolated from society on the moors behaving like children. This is juxtaposed by Catherine’s factual and economic love for Edgar rather then a sexual and emotional love. Catherine was young and wild until she spent some time at Thrushcross Grange after being attacked by a dog. On her return to Wuthering Heights Catherine had matured and become more of a lady. She was still in love with Heathcliff but did not want to marry him. This shows how their love was childish because when Catherine became more lady-like she realised that it “would be degrading to marry Heathcliff.” On the other hand Heathcliff is obsessed with Catherine throughout the whole novel and never tries to hide it. While Catherine is dying Heathcliff says to her “I cannot live without my life! I cannot live without my soul!” In order to fully understand Heathcliff’s love for Catherine a reader must understand his marriage to Isabella. Heathcliff marries Isabella for the sole purpose of revenge, as he aims to control both the Heights and the Grange when Edgar dies. Isabella loves Heathcliff in an adolescent way because she is only young at the time and does not know any better. Isabella eventually leaves Heathcliff and evidence of her feelings towards him can be found in this passage: “I recovered from my first desire to be killed by him-I'd rather he'd kill himself! He has extinguished my love effectually, and so I'm at my ease.” In understanding the relationship Heathcliff has with Isabella we know that Heathcliff cannot love any other woman but Catherine. Towards the end of the novel Hareton and young Cathy symbolize the same situation that Heathcliff and Catherine were in when they were young, but we never know if there relationship is successful or doomed to fail. Heathcliff and Catherine’s relationship is the main focus of the novel “Wuthering Heights”. Emily Bronte crafts the characters so that the reader sees them both as villains but at the same time likes them because they understand the complicated relationship they have. The themes of love, desire and revenge are most evident in the character of Heathcliff as he desires power, loves Catherine and wants to revenge all the characters that have wronged him in the past. Heathcliff and Catherine’s love “resembles the eternal rocks beneath--a source of little visible delight, but necessary. “ 6. The Essay of LOVE

Wuthering Heights is a novel that explores revenge, desire and love. These themes evolve from the complicated relationships within Thrushcross Grange and Wuthering Heights. In particular, Emily Bronte focuses on the love between Catherine Earnshaw and Heathcliff. However, to fully understand the sometimes-distorted plot, a reader has to interpret a number of other relationships within the novel.
The characters in Wuthering Heights form relationships because they desire revenge or love. It is these relationships that cause the many individual conflicts faced by the characters, especially Catherine and Heathcliff. Both of these characters and this is strongly evident when Catherine states; “Heathcliff is more myself then I am” and “I am Heathcliff”. Heathcliff’s love is just as strong and this can be seen in the actions he takes throughout the novel. After overhearing Catherine say, “it would degrade me to marry Heathcliff”, he leaves only to return with a deep desire to seek revenge on all those who have wronged him in the past including Catherine.
A reader finds the relationships in Wuthering Heights complicated and bizarre for a number of reasons. The names in both households are very confusing because there are two Catherine’s, two Mrs Earnshaw’s, a number of Linton’s and a Linton Heathcliff. The relationship between Heathcliff and Catherine can also be seen as bizarre in today’s society because they are stepsiblings. This relationship is further complicated because of Catherine’s marriage to Edgar Linton. This makes Heathcliff very jealous as he says he will “crush his [Edgar’s] ribs like a rotten hazelnut.”
Heathcliff wants to replace Edgar as Catherine’s husband and this is shown symbolically when Catherine dies Heathcliff takes Edgar’s hair out of the locket and puts his own in. However, Nelly gets both the locks of hair and intertwines them and puts them back in the locket, symbolising their intertwined lives. Earlier in the novel Heathcliff knows that he can’t just get rid of Edgar so he tries to better himself in order to become a more suitable partner but still the animal inside him prevails. The love between Heathcliff and Catherine is childish and there is no evidence of adult emotions between them. They are happiest together when they isolated from society on the moors behaving like children. This is juxtaposed by Catherine’s factual and economic love for Edgar rather then a sexual and emotional love.
Catherine was young and wild until she spent some time at Thrushcross Grange after being attacked by a dog. On her return to Wuthering Heights Catherine had matured and become more of a lady. She was still in love with Heathcliff but did not want to marry him. This shows how their love was childish because when Catherine became more lady-like she realised that it “would be degrading to marry Heathcliff.” On the other hand Heathcliff is obsessed with Catherine throughout the whole novel and never tries to hide it. While Catherine is dying Heathcliff says to her “I cannot live without my life! I cannot live without my soul!”
In order to fully understand Heathcliff’s love for Catherine a reader must understand his marriage to Isabella. Heathcliff marries Isabella for the sole purpose of revenge, as he aims to control both the Heights and the Grange when Edgar dies. Isabella loves Heathcliff in an adolescent way because she is only young at the time and does not know any better. Isabella eventually leaves Heathcliff and evidence of her feelings towards him can be found in this passage: “I recovered from my first desire to be killed by him-I’d rather he’d kill himself! He has extinguished my love effectually, and so I’m at my ease.” In understanding the relationship Heathcliff has with Isabella we know that Heathcliff cannot love any other woman but Catherine. Towards the end of the novel Hareton and young Cathy symbolize the same situation that Heathcliff and Catherine were in when they were young, but we never know if there relationship is successful or doomed to fail.
Heathcliff and Catherine’s relationship is the main focus of the novel “Wuthering Heights”. Emily Bronte crafts the characters so that the reader sees them both as villains but at the same time likes them because they understand the complicated relationship they have. The themes of love, desire and revenge are most evident in the character of Heathcliff as he desires power, loves Catherine and wants to revenge all the characters that have wronged him in the past. Heathcliff and Catherine’s love “resembles the eternal rocks beneath–a source of little visible delight, but necessary. “

]]> Comment on Love and relationships in Wuthering Heights by Bobbo http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/03/love-and-relationships-in-wuthering-heights/comment-page-1/#comment-119 Bobbo Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:06:42 +0000 http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/03/love-and-relationships-in-wuthering-heights/#comment-119 1) Generate a list of the marriages and love relationships in Wuthering Heights. Heathcliff-Catherine Earnshaw Hindley Earnshaw-Frances Edgar Linton-Catherine Earnshaw Heathcliff-Isabella Linton-Cathy Cathy-Haerton 2) Write a brief description of the couple’s relationship, referring to specific textual examples Heathcliff-Catherine Earnshaw Consuming relationship that drives Heathcliff and Catherine insane as Catherine wants to enhance her social status and that is the only reason she marries Edgar Linton, “I AM Heathcliff! He’s always, always in my mind”, they want to be with each other and Heathcliff found that they will only be truly together upon their deaths, “He neither wept nor prayed; he cursed and defied: execrated God and man, and gave himself up to reckless dissipation”. Heathcliff-Isabella Linton Isabella was blindly in love with Heathcliff and because of her stubbornness did not stop until she got what she wanted, Heathcliff warned her of his ways, by hanging her dog before their marrige, but she goes ahead with it only to find out what a mistake she has made, “Is Mr. Heathcliff a man? If so, is he mad? And if not, is he a devil”, the realisation of her mistake drove her away. Linton-Cathy This was a relationship manipulated by Heathcliff to gain control over the two houses, Linton was his son and once he married Cathy he would gain control over Thrushcross Grange, and once he died at a young age the house was then in the position of Heathcliff. Cathy-Haerton They marry out of love for each other, and they learn from the mistakes of the last generation. Hindley Earnshaw-Frances Hindley loved Frances very much and when she died after childbirth he became a raging miserable alcoholic. 3) Consider each character’s motivations for becoming involved in his or her relationship (beyond “s/he was in love!!”). Which characters fall in love and/or marry for “good” reasons? For “bad” reasons? Why do the characters who make “bad” choices feel compelled to make them? Heathcliff began the relationship with Catherine at a young age. It sprung out of their passion for the moors and their wild and adventurous nature. Along the line he marries Isabella for a bad reason, and that is so he can eventually gain control over Thrushcross Grange. Catherine had a more social life style in mind, although she enjoyed being with Heathcliff and had strong feelings for him she married Edgar Linton for the social status. This was a bad reason to marry Edgar, she only wanted the materialistic joys out of the relationship. Isabella marries Heathcliff because he is interesting and mystic. She needs a husband and the best option would be the good-looking and very interesting neighbour. Heathcliff unfortunately does not reciprocate the feeling for Isabella, he warns her of his wicked ways, by hanging her dog, and then marries her as a part of his revenge plan to take over Thrushcross Grange. 4. Do you think Bronte approves of or endorses each relationship, based on the way the relationship is described in the novel and the fate of the characters in the relationship. I think Bronte disapproves of relationships, all of the relationships in this book end badly or without a meaning, they are false and not fulfilled. They only bring pain and heart break into each of the characters, I think that Bronte must have been religious because all the way through the book it seems that all will be resolved upon death. 1) Generate a list of the marriages and love relationships in Wuthering Heights.
Heathcliff-Catherine Earnshaw
Hindley Earnshaw-Frances
Edgar Linton-Catherine Earnshaw
Heathcliff-Isabella
Linton-Cathy
Cathy-Haerton

2) Write a brief description of the couple’s relationship, referring to specific textual examples
Heathcliff-Catherine Earnshaw
Consuming relationship that drives Heathcliff and Catherine insane as Catherine wants to enhance her social status and that is the only reason she marries Edgar Linton, “I AM Heathcliff! He’s always, always in my mind”, they want to be with each other and Heathcliff found that they will only be truly together upon their deaths, “He neither
wept nor prayed; he cursed and defied: execrated God and man, and gave himself up to reckless dissipation”.

Heathcliff-Isabella Linton
Isabella was blindly in love with Heathcliff and because of her stubbornness did not stop until she got what she wanted, Heathcliff warned her of his ways, by hanging her dog before their marrige, but she goes ahead with it only to find out what a mistake she has made, “Is Mr. Heathcliff a man? If so, is he mad? And if not, is he
a devil”, the realisation of her mistake drove her away.

Linton-Cathy
This was a relationship manipulated by Heathcliff to gain control over the two houses, Linton was his son and once he married Cathy he would gain control over Thrushcross Grange, and once he died at a young age the house was then in the position of Heathcliff.

Cathy-Haerton
They marry out of love for each other, and they learn from the mistakes of the last generation.

Hindley Earnshaw-Frances
Hindley loved Frances very much and when she died after childbirth he became a raging miserable alcoholic.

3) Consider each character’s motivations for becoming involved in his or her relationship (beyond “s/he was in love!!”). Which characters fall in love and/or marry for “good” reasons? For “bad” reasons? Why do the characters who make “bad” choices feel compelled to make them?
Heathcliff began the relationship with Catherine at a young age. It sprung out of their passion for the moors and their wild and adventurous nature. Along the line he marries Isabella for a bad reason, and that is so he can eventually gain control over Thrushcross Grange.
Catherine had a more social life style in mind, although she enjoyed being with Heathcliff and had strong feelings for him she married Edgar Linton for the social status. This was a bad reason to marry Edgar, she only wanted the materialistic joys out of the relationship.
Isabella marries Heathcliff because he is interesting and mystic. She needs a husband and the best option would be the good-looking and very interesting neighbour. Heathcliff unfortunately does not reciprocate the feeling for Isabella, he warns her of his wicked ways, by hanging her dog, and then marries her as a part of his revenge plan to take over Thrushcross Grange.

4. Do you think Bronte approves of or endorses each relationship, based on the way the relationship is described in the novel and the fate of the characters in the relationship.

I think Bronte disapproves of relationships, all of the relationships in this book end badly or without a meaning, they are false and not fulfilled. They only bring pain and heart break into each of the characters, I think that Bronte must have been religious because all the way through the book it seems that all will be resolved upon death.

]]> Comment on Love and relationships in Wuthering Heights by penman http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/03/love-and-relationships-in-wuthering-heights/comment-page-1/#comment-118 penman Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:09:57 +0000 http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/03/love-and-relationships-in-wuthering-heights/#comment-118 1. Love is a word thrown around in Wuthering Heaights oftenly, but the attitude and events that happen involving the characters make it obvious that love is a not truly found in some of the relationships. Love is an intense feeling or deep affection. From this I order the relationships in Wuthering Heights as such: i. Heathcliff and Catherine E ii. Hindley and Frances iii. Hareton and Young Cathy iv. Catherine and Edgar v. Heathcliff and Isabella vi. Linton Heathcliff and Young Cathy 2. Heathcliff and Catherine Earnshaw- An all consuming relationship, "I am Heathcliff". They only found their love with death ( Bronte's way of saying a relationship like that can not exist in real life). Hindley Earnshaw and Frances- Married and had a child called Hareton. Edgar Linton and Catherine Earnshaw- Catherine marries Edgar for "social position". Edgar and Heathcliff become enemies and revenge is needed by Heathcliff. Heathcliff and Catherine are soul mates and love each other but Edgar marries catherine first. This infuriates Heathcliff, as he loves Catherine but they can not be together. Catherine and Edgar's relationship is fake and they are not lovers merely partners. Heathcliff and Isabella Linton- Is a marriage based on Heathcliff’s venture for revenge on Edgar. No true passion or love from Heathcliff, and eventually none from Isabella. Hareton and Young Cathy- starts off very confused, as they both think the other dislikes them, “’A companion’, [Hareton] cried; ‘when [Cathy] hates me”… “’It is not I who hates you, it is you who hates me’ cried Cathy [to Hareton]”. Linton Heathcliff and young Cathy- Their marriage is very much forced by Heathcliff the elder, and so is fruitless and unhappy. 3. Heathcliff’s marriage was based simply on revenge love was never prominent from his side. It was to gain power and kudos over the Linton’s. He would get this by gaining influence on Thrushcross Grange and having money and power from the Linton’s. Catherine marries in order to move up in the social tree. Love is never really a major player in her reasons for being with Edgar. She is based around social standing, because social standing gives a certain amount of power and Catherine wanted this. Linton and Cathy both were arranged marriages so they really never had a reason to marry they were just forced to. Hindley and Frances married because they were in love. Frances saw a much higher standard of living and Hindley spent time with his “soul mate” and got what he needed from her. 4.Bronte is a believer in true love but her symbolizing of love in the book makes reason to believe that she may oppose the definte love, such as Heathcliff and Catherine. Although she definitely does endorse love in her novel in some of the relationships. She is showing that love and relationships are good when she talks about Heathcliff and Catherine, Hindley and Frances, Hareton and Young Cathy. In the other three relationships ( as seen above) it is obvious by her writing that she doesn’t endorse these sort of relationships. 5. Taking knowledge from the previous generation they have a head start as they see the damnation of the other generation. It is though not concise within the book that Hareton and Cathy are doomed. 1. Love is a word thrown around in Wuthering Heaights oftenly, but the attitude and events that happen involving the characters make it obvious that love is a not truly found in some of the relationships. Love is an intense feeling or deep affection. From this I order the relationships in Wuthering Heights as such:
i. Heathcliff and Catherine E
ii. Hindley and Frances
iii. Hareton and Young Cathy
iv. Catherine and Edgar
v. Heathcliff and Isabella
vi. Linton Heathcliff and Young Cathy

2. Heathcliff and Catherine Earnshaw- An all consuming relationship, “I am Heathcliff”. They only found their love with death ( Bronte’s way of saying a relationship like that can not exist in real life).

Hindley Earnshaw and Frances- Married and had a child called Hareton.

Edgar Linton and Catherine Earnshaw- Catherine marries Edgar for “social position”.
Edgar and Heathcliff become enemies and revenge is needed by Heathcliff. Heathcliff and Catherine are soul mates and love each other but Edgar marries catherine first. This infuriates Heathcliff, as he loves Catherine but they can not be together. Catherine and Edgar’s relationship is fake and they are not lovers merely partners.

Heathcliff and Isabella Linton- Is a marriage based on Heathcliff’s venture for revenge on Edgar. No true passion or love from Heathcliff, and eventually none from Isabella.

Hareton and Young Cathy- starts off very confused, as they both think the other dislikes them, “’A companion’, [Hareton] cried; ‘when [Cathy] hates me”… “’It is not I who hates you, it is you who hates me’ cried Cathy [to Hareton]”.

Linton Heathcliff and young Cathy- Their marriage is very much forced by Heathcliff the elder, and so is fruitless and unhappy.

3. Heathcliff’s marriage was based simply on revenge love was never prominent from his side. It was to gain power and kudos over the Linton’s. He would get this by gaining influence on Thrushcross Grange and having money and power from the Linton’s.

Catherine marries in order to move up in the social tree. Love is never really a major player in her reasons for being with Edgar. She is based around social standing, because social standing gives a certain amount of power and Catherine wanted this.

Linton and Cathy both were arranged marriages so they really never had a reason to marry they were just forced to.

Hindley and Frances married because they were in love. Frances saw a much higher standard of living and Hindley spent time with his “soul mate” and got what he needed from her.

4.Bronte is a believer in true love but her symbolizing of love in the book makes reason to believe that she may oppose the definte love, such as Heathcliff and Catherine. Although she definitely does endorse love in her novel in some of the relationships. She is showing that love and relationships are good when she talks about Heathcliff and Catherine, Hindley and Frances, Hareton and Young Cathy. In the other three relationships ( as seen above) it is obvious by her writing that she doesn’t endorse these sort of relationships.

5. Taking knowledge from the previous generation they have a head start as they see the damnation of the other generation. It is though not concise within the book that Hareton and Cathy are doomed.

]]> Comment on Love and relationships in Wuthering Heights by tim http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/03/love-and-relationships-in-wuthering-heights/comment-page-1/#comment-117 tim Tue, 05 Jun 2007 02:20:14 +0000 http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/03/love-and-relationships-in-wuthering-heights/#comment-117 The rest apart from the essay. And an edit to Hareton and young Cathy's relationship: starts off very confused, as they both think the other dislikes them, “’A companion’, [Hareton] cried; ‘when [Cathy] hates me”… “’It is not I who hates you, it is you who hates me’ cried Cathy [to Hareton]”, but come to like each other. 3. Reasons for love and marriage Edgar and Catherine- Edgar is infatuated with her because she has the ability to be overwhelmingly charming towards him, and she is beautiful. She marries him because she wants to use his money to raise Heathcliff’s status. Hindley and Frances- presumably for love but not much is known, she might have married for money as it is assumed she is poor. Heathcliff and Isabella- Isabella loved Heathcliff because he was handsome and probably because she wanted a husband, but turned quickly to hating him. Heathcliff never made any pretense of like her, and married her only so he could get revenge on the Lintons and Earnshaws. Linton and young Cathy- forced to marry each other by Heathcliff so he could get his revenge. Cathy and Hareton- they like each other 4. Does Brontë endorse the relationships? Heathcliff and Catherine- yes Hindley and Frances- yes Heathcliff and Isabella- no Edgar and Catherine- no Linton and Cathy- no Cathy and Hareton- yes 5. Are there hints in the text that Hareton and Cathy are doomed? It is hard to discerne what will happen in the lives of Cathy and Hareton, as their feelings are often confuse for each other. The rest apart from the essay.

And an edit to Hareton and young Cathy’s relationship: starts off very confused, as they both think the other dislikes them, “’A companion’, [Hareton] cried; ‘when [Cathy] hates me”… “’It is not I who hates you, it is you who hates me’ cried Cathy [to Hareton]”, but come to like each other.

3. Reasons for love and marriage

Edgar and Catherine- Edgar is infatuated with her because she has the ability to be overwhelmingly charming towards him, and she is beautiful. She marries him because she wants to use his money to raise Heathcliff’s status.

Hindley and Frances- presumably for love but not much is known, she might have married for money as it is assumed she is poor.

Heathcliff and Isabella- Isabella loved Heathcliff because he was handsome and probably because she wanted a husband, but turned quickly to hating him. Heathcliff never made any pretense of like her, and married her only so he could get revenge on the Lintons and Earnshaws.

Linton and young Cathy- forced to marry each other by Heathcliff so he could get his revenge.

Cathy and Hareton- they like each other

4. Does Brontë endorse the relationships?

Heathcliff and Catherine- yes
Hindley and Frances- yes
Heathcliff and Isabella- no
Edgar and Catherine- no
Linton and Cathy- no
Cathy and Hareton- yes

5. Are there hints in the text that Hareton and Cathy are doomed?
It is hard to discerne what will happen in the lives of Cathy and Hareton, as their feelings are often confuse for each other.

]]> Comment on Love and relationships in Wuthering Heights by davo http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/03/love-and-relationships-in-wuthering-heights/comment-page-1/#comment-116 davo Tue, 05 Jun 2007 02:19:17 +0000 http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/03/love-and-relationships-in-wuthering-heights/#comment-116 1) marriages: love relationships: mr and Mrs Linton Catherine and Heathcliffe mr and mrs earnshaw edgar for catherine Heathcliffe and isabella isabella for Heathcliffe edgar and catherine Nelly for hindley hindley and frances Haerton and cathy linton and cathy vidler and joseph criterea: is the love for money? is the love mutual? do they love anybody else ? is the love for revenge? order of relationships from most passionate to least passionate: Vidler and Joseph Heathcliffe and Catherine Hindley and Frances haerton and cathy the rest order of loves from most loving to least loving relationships: Heathcliffe and Catherine "may you not rest, as long as i am living, you said i killed you- haunt me then" Haerton and cathy Edgar for Catherine the rest dont really love each other (2) Heathcliffe and catherine love each other beyond anything, thy grew up together and become 'one' spiritually. They cannot be happy without one another. Their relationship is intimate but not sexual. Catherine cannot love Heathcliffe because he is of a lower class than her. This breaks both their hearts. "i am heathcliff" Edgar and Catherine are in a relationship which results in marriage. Catherine loves Edgar but only because he loves her so much. Edgar is infatuated by Catherine and loves her wholely, the love is never wholely reciprecated. "I have such faith in Linton's love that I believe I might kill him and he wouldn't wish to retaliate" They marry because they are both isolated and because of class structure at the time. Heathcliff and isabella's love is never mutual. Heathciff marries Isabella for money and class, he marries her to gain access to Thrushcross Grange. isabella falls in love with heathcliff as a teenager, so is obviously blinded by age and a desire to love. heathcliff always makes sure Isabella is fully aware he is not in love with her, hence his hanging of her dog. Hindley marries Frances while he is away at boarding school, he keeps the marriage a secret because Frances is from a lower class, they do have a genine love. When hindley is with Frances he is happy and as pleasant as he could possibly be while she existed, her death eventually brought about his demise. They were both immature and cruel, which suited one another. "Frances pulled [Heathcliff's] hair heartily, and then went and seated herself on her husband’s knee, and there they were, like two babies, kissing and talking nonsense by the hour..." Linton and Cathy were forced to marry out of Heathcliff's spite. They never truly love each other and Linton eventually dies. Haerton and Cathy fall in love and is symbolic of the way true love should be executed, as they learn from the previous gneration’s mistakes. (3) Heathcliff’s motives for his union with Isabella were to gain money and power over thrushcross grange, which therefore gave him power over his opressors, the lintons. Catherine’s motives for marrying Edgar were to ‘move up’ in class. Which gave her higher social esteem and more money, with this power she gained she aimed to use to further heathcliff and take him out of the control of her brother. Linton and Cathy’s marriage was arranged, and they never really had their own personal motives for the marriage. Hindley and Frances married each other for love and their own personal satisafaction. Frances got to escape to a better way of life and edgar got what he wanted from her. (4) Bronte is a true believer in love. She rebels against the common acceptance of marriage for title. Catherine and Heathcliffe - yes edgar for Catherine- no Heathcliffe and isabella -no Nelly for hindley-doesn’t express hindley and frances - yes Haerton and cathy-yes linton and cathy -no vidler and joseph-god does (5) It is hard to discern what happens, it seems that they will do well, as they have learnt from the previous generation. 1)
marriages: love relationships:
mr and Mrs Linton Catherine and Heathcliffe
mr and mrs earnshaw edgar for catherine
Heathcliffe and isabella isabella for Heathcliffe
edgar and catherine Nelly for hindley
hindley and frances Haerton and cathy
linton and cathy vidler and joseph

criterea:
is the love for money?
is the love mutual?
do they love anybody else ?
is the love for revenge?

order of relationships from most passionate to least passionate:
Vidler and Joseph
Heathcliffe and Catherine
Hindley and Frances
haerton and cathy
the rest

order of loves from most loving to least loving relationships:
Heathcliffe and Catherine “may you not rest, as long as i am living, you said i killed you- haunt me then”
Haerton and cathy
Edgar for Catherine
the rest dont really love each other

(2)
Heathcliffe and catherine love each other beyond anything, thy grew up together and become ‘one’ spiritually. They cannot be happy without one another. Their relationship is intimate but not sexual. Catherine cannot love Heathcliffe because he is of a lower class than her. This breaks both their hearts. “i am heathcliff”

Edgar and Catherine are in a relationship which results in marriage. Catherine loves Edgar but only because he loves her so much. Edgar is infatuated by Catherine and loves her wholely, the love is never wholely reciprecated. “I have such faith in Linton’s love that I believe I might kill him and he wouldn’t wish to retaliate” They marry because they are both isolated and because of class structure at the time.

Heathcliff and isabella’s love is never mutual. Heathciff marries Isabella for money and class, he marries her to gain access to Thrushcross Grange. isabella falls in love with heathcliff as a teenager, so is obviously blinded by age and a desire to love. heathcliff always makes sure Isabella is fully aware he is not in love with her, hence his hanging of her dog.

Hindley marries Frances while he is away at boarding school, he keeps the marriage a secret because Frances is from a lower class, they do have a genine love. When hindley is with Frances he is happy and as pleasant as he could possibly be while she existed, her death eventually brought about his demise. They were both immature and cruel, which suited one another. “Frances pulled [Heathcliff's] hair heartily, and then went and seated herself on her husband’s knee, and there they were, like two babies, kissing and talking nonsense by the hour…”

Linton and Cathy were forced to marry out of Heathcliff’s spite. They never truly love each other and Linton eventually dies.

Haerton and Cathy fall in love and is symbolic of the way true love should be executed, as they learn from the previous gneration’s mistakes.

(3)
Heathcliff’s motives for his union with Isabella were to gain money and power over thrushcross grange, which therefore gave him power over his opressors, the lintons.

Catherine’s motives for marrying Edgar were to ‘move up’ in class. Which gave her higher social esteem and more money, with this power she gained she aimed to use to further heathcliff and take him out of the control of her brother.

Linton and Cathy’s marriage was arranged, and they never really had their own personal motives for the marriage.

Hindley and Frances married each other for love and their own personal satisafaction. Frances got to escape to a better way of life and edgar got what he wanted from her.

(4)
Bronte is a true believer in love. She rebels against the common acceptance of marriage for title.
Catherine and Heathcliffe – yes
edgar for Catherine- no
Heathcliffe and isabella -no
Nelly for hindley-doesn’t express
hindley and frances – yes Haerton and cathy-yes
linton and cathy -no vidler and joseph-god does

(5)
It is hard to discern what happens, it seems that they will do well, as they have learnt from the previous generation.

]]> Comment on Love and relationships in Wuthering Heights by tim http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/03/love-and-relationships-in-wuthering-heights/comment-page-1/#comment-115 tim Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:36:45 +0000 http://advanced12.edublogs.org/2007/06/03/love-and-relationships-in-wuthering-heights/#comment-115 1. Relationships in order of love 1. Heathcliff and Catherine (unrequited love) 2. Hindley and Frances 3. Hareton and young Cathy 4. Catherine and Edgar (married) 5. Heathcliff and Isabella (married) 6. Linton Heathcliff and young Cathy (married) Relationships in order of passion 1. Heathcliff and Catherine 2. Catherine and Edgar 3. Hindley and Frances 4. Hareton and Cathy 5. Heathcliff and Isabella 6. Linton Heathcliff and young Cathy 2. Write a brief description of each couple’s relationship- specific examples Heathcliff and Isabella- passionate but unrequited: Catherine; “I am Heathcliff”, “so he shall never know how I love him”: Heathcliff; “I cannot live without my soul!” (after Catherine’s death) Hindley and Frances- love each other (after Frances’ death) “[Hindley] grew desparate; his sorrow was the kind that will not lament” but and delight in each other’s cruelty to others, “a few words from [Frances]…were enough to rouse in [Hindley] is old hatred of [Heathcliff]”. Hareton and young Cathy- starts off very confused, as they both think the other dislikes them, “’A companion’, [Hareton] cried; ‘when [Cathy] hates me”… “’It is not I who hates you, it is you who hates me’ cried Cathy [to Hareton]”. Catherine and Edgar- on Catheine’s behalf it is about money which can be used to help Heathcliff “’in my soul and in my heart, I’m convinced I’m wrong [about marrying her]’…’I can aid Heathcliff to rise’…’My love for Linton is like foliage in the woods, time will change it”. Edgar is infatuated with her however, “he possessed the power to depart [from Catherine], as much as the cat possesses the power to leave a mouse half killed”. Heathcliff and Isabella- Isabella originally loved Heathcliff, and pictured him as “a hero of romance”. However he views her with contempt, because she cannot see this love is unreturned, “I hardly regard her in the light of a rational creature…I did not love her”. Heathcliff’s scornful attitude towards Isabella cause “her to hate [Heathcliff]” although they remain married. Linton Heathcliff and young Cathy- Their marriage is very much forced by Heathcliff the elder, and so is fruitless and unhappy. 1. Relationships in order of love

1. Heathcliff and Catherine (unrequited love)
2. Hindley and Frances
3. Hareton and young Cathy
4. Catherine and Edgar (married)
5. Heathcliff and Isabella (married)
6. Linton Heathcliff and young Cathy (married)

Relationships in order of passion

1. Heathcliff and Catherine
2. Catherine and Edgar
3. Hindley and Frances
4. Hareton and Cathy
5. Heathcliff and Isabella
6. Linton Heathcliff and young Cathy

2. Write a brief description of each couple’s relationship- specific examples

Heathcliff and Isabella- passionate but unrequited: Catherine; “I am Heathcliff”, “so he shall never know how I love him”: Heathcliff; “I cannot live without my soul!” (after Catherine’s death)

Hindley and Frances- love each other (after Frances’ death) “[Hindley] grew desparate; his sorrow was the kind that will not lament” but and delight in each other’s cruelty to others, “a few words from [Frances]…were enough to rouse in [Hindley] is old hatred of [Heathcliff]”.

Hareton and young Cathy- starts off very confused, as they both think the other dislikes them, “’A companion’, [Hareton] cried; ‘when [Cathy] hates me”… “’It is not I who hates you, it is you who hates me’ cried Cathy [to Hareton]”.

Catherine and Edgar- on Catheine’s behalf it is about money which can be used to help Heathcliff “’in my soul and in my heart, I’m convinced I’m wrong [about marrying her]’…’I can aid Heathcliff to rise’…’My love for Linton is like foliage in the woods, time will change it”. Edgar is infatuated with her however, “he possessed the power to depart [from Catherine], as much as the cat possesses the power to leave a mouse half killed”.

Heathcliff and Isabella- Isabella originally loved Heathcliff, and pictured him as “a hero of romance”. However he views her with contempt, because she cannot see this love is unreturned, “I hardly regard her in the light of a rational creature…I did not love her”. Heathcliff’s scornful attitude towards Isabella cause “her to hate [Heathcliff]” although they remain married.

Linton Heathcliff and young Cathy- Their marriage is very much forced by Heathcliff the elder, and so is fruitless and unhappy.

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